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I was anxiously awaiting NAB after Jan's comments on this forum. I was hoping to see a FCP or quicktime revision that would handle MXF natively. What did we get? It looks like a repurposed older software from some company in Indiana.
It costs $800!!! Does anybody else think Panasonic needs to buy the code from these guys and make this thing a free download? This is totaly rediculous.
After buying our P2 stores and our 4 $600 P2 cards I'm not interested in spending another $800 for a f.&$in utility that Panasonic should have worked out. In contrast I got to check out XDCAM at the apple display. THey have a free utility that WORKS WITH MAC!
It is smooth, fast, and well thought out. The media is $30. I love the pictures from my two HVXs. The workflow with FCP is completely Abysmal. Anxiously waiting for Panasonic to finish R&D on P2, David david garcia Halflife. Digital albuquerque, nm.
Couldn't agree more that HD Log is quite overpriced. It's not Panny's problem though- they are not in the software biz. At this point HD Log will sell only to those people who truly require what it does for now and everyone else will do fine with the import capabilities of FCP or migrate to Canopus. Imagine Products has two choices- drop their price drastically- say to $99 and they'll sell a lot of it. Or wait and either be purchased by Apple or be supplanted by similar import features likely to appear in the next major revision of FCP. However- I couldn't disagree more on the 'abyssmal' comment regarding workflow going P2 to FCP. It's incredibly simple and easy.
The main drawback is you lose a good chunk of your metadata. But compared to tape capture, you're getting everything you're used to getting and your getting it without logging and capturing. Pretty much point and click importing faster than tape capture ever was. And this is just the start of FCP's P2 import support so give Apple a little time to catch up with feature requests, etc. Bottom line: if you need what HD Log does right now but feel it is way overpriced for what it does, let the folks at Imagine Products know. It's not Panasonic's job to fix prices of 3rd party software: -Noah.
david garcia 'I was anxiously awaiting NAB after Jan's comments on this forum. I was hoping to see a FCP or quicktime revision that would handle MXF natively. What did we get?
It looks like a repurposed older software from some company in Indiana. It costs $800!!!' David, Sorry to hear that you feel that the native handling of the MXF files by the HD Log are not what you are looking for. Perhaps to you it looks like a repurposed piece of software, but to me it answers one of the top 10 questions about archive. To me it seemed to be a natural and frankly I am disappointed that the software is not available on a PC. And BTW it is not $800, it is $700, but I hear what you are saying, you don't want to spend that.
Well then your only other choice is to wait for the import of the files into FCP. I happen to think the HD Log is very slick as it is more than a P2 viewer. Best, Jan Jan Crittenden Livingston Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100 Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems.
I've been working with HD Log for about three days now. An impressive piece of software. It didn't initially support 24P or 24pn, but the developer released an update.
There are additional features and enhancements expected reasonably soon. I don't know what the PC version does in comparison, but this is pretty slick, and promises to get slicker. However, I believe Panasonic owes its Mac users with a fundamental P2 viewer to make it on par with the PC. Why develop a PC only viewer and bundle it with the cam, but leave Mac users without any comparable version. Maybe Panasonic might want to explain why it DID develop software, but only for ONE platform.
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$700.00 isn't cheap. But each of us has to determine what our workflow is, and how much we are willing to pay for it. Once again, I love the HVX. And HD log looks pretty good. But $700 is too steep for what is basically a utility. I just want to respond to a few things here: The workflow with P2 on MAC is not smooth as silk.
It is frighteningly unpredictable. When I mount a P2 store (which I consider to be the only way to shoot with this camera in the field) The volumes all say no name. Sometimes they mount in different orders. My work flow is to back these partitions up to DVD immediately.
Unfortunately it has to be done over a network because if I try to back up on a machine which the P2 store is plugged into, the dvd only sees the first partition, regardless of what 'NONAME' partition I copy from. The chances of missing Data here are way too high.
Additionaly, not being able to view these files upon placing the DVD into the drive is downright dumb. It makes logging of information without putting the video on a hard disk impossible. This is not a convenient way to work. Copying to hard drive is not that much faster than digitizing, and at least digitizing I get to review the material in process. This is something Panasonic needs to remedy. We need an affordable Viewer for Mac.
For the sake of P2 as a format. I invested in this cool format. I LIKE THE CAMERA and DVCPROHD. I fear if Panasonic doesn't get it's act together P2 will die and those of us who invested in it will be left with a dead unsupported format. I'm not trying to be a doomsayer, It's just the gut feeling I started to get watching an Apple rep demonstrate the elegant workflow of XDCAM at NAB. A humble videographer and graphic artist, David david garcia Halflife.
Digital albuquerque, nm. David- your workflow's complexity is more the issue here if I understand it correctly. Try this instead: Attach an external FW800 drive to your ingest machine if it's a Powerbook or add another internal SATA if it's a desktop. Then copy each P2 into its own proper, sequentially named folder before going to DVD. And skip the network step entirely.
Going from P2 to DVD-R over network is eating up a major chunk of your throughput because you're bridging several huge bottlenecks together. Going from P2 to hard drive first would give you an archival backup from the P2 cards and you could then go to DVD-R from the ingest machine if that were still neccesary for you. (Although my suggestion would be to back up the QuickTimes created by FCP after P2 Importing rather than the MXF's because they can be viewed directly on the DVD.) From the hard drive duplicates you could bring your footage directly into FCP too using FileImport Panasonic P2 and pointing it to the new directories you've just created rather than to the P2 mounted volumes. You can also sign up for this public beta software which can automate this process even further: I'm currently working on a workflow article that will outline this process step by step. I'll be sure to link to it from this forum when it's completed. I'm with Noah on this.
Going directly from P2 to DVD isn't the best option. Darn slow if you ask me. No, in the field we had several 60GB and 80GB bus powered drives that we'd copy the footage from the P2 hooked up to a laptop, or that we'd download off the P2 Store when it filled up. We then archived our footage onto another drive back at the company and freed up the portable drives for future field work. At this point you could go to DVD, but I'd use them only as redundant backup.
I am sticking with the hard drive option until Blu-Ray comes out. The data DVD is enclosed in a cartridge that human hands cannot touch, and scratch or smear. Backing up the imports is a good idea, as you can then view them right away, but I'd still keep the main MXF files, in case support for them comes down the pipe. Shane Alokut Productions. We're getting a little off topic here, but. From my tests, copying to DVD is the fastest way to get the footage in a box. I have a 1.25 TB Lacie esata and copying from the P2 store to it takes longer than burning on my powerbook over the network.
Not to mention, if I'm not going to edit this stuff right away, why do I want: A-to put it on a hard drive or B-to copy it twice (once to hard drive then to DVD.) I'm doing what I'm doing because it's fastest and most efficient for us. I appreciate the friendly advice though. I will definitely take another look at our process. I still want an affordable P2 viewer for Mac. David david garcia Halflife. Digital albuquerque, nm. david garcia 'if I try to back up on a machine which the P2 store is plugged into, the dvd only sees the first partition, regardless of what 'NONAME' partition I copy from.
The chances of missing Data here are way too high. ' David why have you not named your cards? Pop them into a laptop and give each card it's own individual name, ( or use the camera to mount them if your laptop does not have a card reader) it is a far better way to handle the media.
I have to agree with Shane and Noah, I think your workflow is a tad cumbersome by initially burning to dvd to start. Gary adcock Studio37 HD & Film Consultation Post and Production Workflows Chicago, IL [email protected]. When I'm shooting in the field, There is no computer anywhere nearby, unless I have the luxury of doing a 'cinema style shoot' where we are lighting etc. Usually the P2 store is on my belt and I barely have enough time to switch cards and reformat (in P2 store.) True we are working with 4 gig cards. Forget about in camera formatting and naming cards etc. I don't have the time when I need to keep coverage. If there is a way to have the P2 partitions on the store named, I am dying to know.
From my experience, the P2 partitions on the Store are uneditable and locked. On the issue of backing up to DVDs, I don't understand how it could be considered less cumbersome to copy footage to a hard drive (When I'm not sure I'm even going to use it) then copy it to a DVD. That's copying twice. When you come back to the office after shooting all day and have a hard drive with 60gigs of material that you can't even review, you don't want to copy it twice and there is no way to make decisions about what not to keep. Please tell me I'm missing something here. I want to find a better way. I'm really hoping P2 genie can address som of this stuff.
HDLOG could work well with P2 genie, but it costs 3/4 of what you pay for the entire Final Cut Studio. I guess I'm just hoping that someone at Panasonic and/or Apple is listening to a loyal customer. David david garcia Halflife.
Digital albuquerque, nm. Sorry for being late to this thread but I have to concur that the HD Log price is way too much and I agree with some that it should be a Panasonic item. It would help to propagate the P2 experience and make it easier. As an editor, I see the promise of the future of a tapeless world using the P2, or my new Firestore FS100 that arrives tomorrow. But it is flawed.
Reel numbering in the field and carrying that numbering order over to the edit is fundamental. A big consideration for us is that the networks and distributors we deal with demand original camera masters be delivered with the show master. This has us scratching our heads and if the reel numbering isn't logical and traceable, we're hosed. I think there needs to be a method of naming the card in camera so when dumping to whatever, it makes logical sense. For instance, Camera A reel 11 (or card 11) would be A11, or Day 3 reel 5 would be 305 et al.
We're making it work by spending way too much time on computers after the shooting and so far have archived to HDCam, but there has to be a better way. Don Wilson AmericanaMediaInc.com.
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